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For Sale: 1923 Gibson F5 (Joe Val's Loar)

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€122,000 EUR

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Gibson F-5 “Lloyd Loar” Mandolin
Feb. 26, 1923
Serial #72207

Cremona “Tobacco” Finish.

This mandolin was for sale years ago, but taken off the market. Reposted fr sale in October 2020.
Now it's time to pass it on to the right person.
It will be 100 years old in 2023... and it is as rock-solid as any road worthy musical tool!

Previously owned & played from 1970~1985 by the late New England pioneer in bluegrass music, Joe Val (Waltham, MA).

International Bluegrass Hall of Fame member Joe Val performed and recorded with this mandolin on all of his Rounder Records recordings from 1971~1983. Joe passed away in 1985. Joe purchased this beauty ca.1970 and repairman Kenneth Miller did the initial setup at his New England guitar shop. It came without tuners on the treble side and was reportedly sold for quick cash by a local guy…shall we say…down on his luck.

Joe’s mandolin has been owned, cared for, and played exclusively by myself, Kevin Lynch, since January 1986. It was at that time that I was chosen to purchase my friend Joe Val’s mandolin from his widow, Thelma Valiante.

Present playing condition is EXTREMELY FINE.
Joe left the original tailpiece in a hotel room in the 1980s. Banjo fret wire, slightly wider than classic fret wire, installed in the late 1970s by Joe's sideman-banjo player Paul Silvius. Re-fretted only once since.

Very minor ‘repair’ of original fingerboard (re-glued), dressing of frets, and custom-made Lloyd Loar-era Solid Silver Waverly tuners installed in October 2007. The original fruitwood shim under the fingerboard was saved (a rarity) and is intact. All work done professionally by one of the best in the business, Master Luthier David Harvey at the Gibson Company in Nashville, TN.

No Virzi Tone Producer was ever installed. The felt in the pick guard brace, between the bracket and the body, is original (also a rarity) and in mint condition. The ‘teardrop’ on the peg head is typically broken-off on many of these Loars. This one was cracked, but never broken completely off. Repaired during its initial setup after Joe bought it. A tiny piece of binding on the point was replaced in 1975. Entire binding is completely intact. The neck joint is as solid and tight as the day Lloyd signed-off on it… as is the entire instrument.

Sale includes original rectangular case -- complete with original Gibson sales tag tied to key (“Gibson: Music Pal Of The Nation” $250.00). Also comes with original bass-side tuners, original bridge & (broken) saddle, Bill of Sale, and misc. photos of this well-documented instrument.

Serious Buyers Only please contact Kevin Lynch (based in The Netherlands) via e-mail at KLBGRASS (at) AOL.COM for phone number, sale price, and a more complete history of this rare collectible piece of American Bluegrass music history. Can negotiate terms for hand-delivery to buyer. No bargain basement prices here, not desperate to sell. This instrument will only be considered for sale to an appreciative, responsible and caring buyer.

Joe Val's recordings with this mandolin:
"One Morning in May" (Rounder 1972)
"Joe Val & the New England Bluegrass Boys" (Rounder 1974)
"Not a Word from Home" (Rounder 1977)
"Bound to Ride" (Rounder 1979)
"Live in Holland" (Strictly Country Records 1981)
"Sparkling Brown Eyes" (Rounder 1983)
"Cold Wind" (Rounder 1983)
Released posthumously: "Diamond Joe" (Rounder 1995)

~ Also guest artist appearances on various recordings,
including a live “Prairie Home Companion” vinyl LP.




Hand-to-Hand Delivery possible (in person)

Payment Option Notes:

Open to discussion re: payment methods / arrangements. Direct bank deposits are an option.

Return Policy:

Returns accepted. Buyer must contact seller within 7 days to arrange return. Refund will be given as Money Back. Buyer pays return shipping.

Additional return policy details: "Money back" minus any expenses related to delivery, by mutual agreement in advance
(i.e., insurance, shipping, airfare for personal delivery, etc.)

Condition of Item(s):

Used - Excellent Condition




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Serious Buyers Only may contact Kevin Lynch, based in The Netherlands, via e-mail:


I will honor serious buyers' requests for my phone number and additional history, etc.
Price has been decreased to €122000. This is the final adjustment. Negotiations on price will not be accepted.

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